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Gun Control laws & mental health implications, housing antisocial people in psychiatric hospitals, inpatient hospital problems
I have been commenting at another blog site about the ongoing ridiculousness that is about to transcend reality, with politicians preparing or already passing legislation about gun control and including the expectation that psychiatrists and other mental health professionals will report any patient who may reveal thoughts of harm to self and others while having access to a firearm. First, here is the site of mention:
http://psychiatrist-blog.blogspot.com/2013/02/bang-bang-im-thinking-about-gun.html
If you care to read through the thread, you’ll see how it does get a bit tangential with the role of inpatient care issues, and my take is that such legislation will force many of such patient matters involving firearms into hospital care. What I don’t understand is of the few potential true patients who may actually fit this concern legitimately, what about the 90% or more that will be dragged to mental health care provider doors by police and the courts because these non clinical sources will irresponsibly assume that only “crazy people” will consider using guns to shoot themselves and/or lots of others. Oh, and by the way, they should have NO RIGHT to have access to firearms thereon.
Well, I read today in the most recent issue of Psychiatric Times, and I will provide the link for the net readers but warn you there is a need for an account to access the articles, so be prepared to join to read:
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/home
James L Knoll IV MD wrote about “Mass Shootings: Research and Lessons”, and it was the last section titled ‘Narcissism and the news media” that I found the most interesting. In there, he writes:
“Narcissism and social rejection are risk factors that work in tandem to cause aggressive behavior, and these have certainly been described in the histories of mass shooters. Twenge and Campbell note that ‘given the upswing in the narcissistic values of American culture since the 90s, it may be no coincidence that mass shootings became a national plaque around the same time’. Extensive media attention in the 1990s may have provided a script and unwitting adulation of those who would seek an impatient route to their entitled respect. This hints at a deeper societal pathology–a culture that has ‘grown more focused on self admiration and more enamored with celebrity and fame’. One might argue that we hold celebrity as the single greatest achievement of life–one that should be attained by any means.”
Dr Knoll goes on to note how the news media feeds into this with the nonstop coverage these shootings get for days afterwards. Infamy and immortality seem to go hand in hand these days, eh?
Well, my concern is where is the line between narcissism and antisocial traits/disorders? And I did not want to weigh down another blog author’s site with my hypothetical issues and concerns, so wrote this post to just note this to readers from there or readers coming here independently: maybe one reason why so many commenters are so outraged and unhappy with the potential for getting hospitalized is because so many antisocial people are being put in hospitals for the past 10 or more years once Clifton T Perkins became so overloaded with patients, and honest, true psychiatric patients who really need inpatient care can’t stand being housed with criminals.
Certainly have seen that in my travels at one state hospital I worked at about 2 years ago, and I am told by reliable sources that Springfield and Eastern Shore Hospitals, which are state facilities here in Maryland that have been already crippled by deinstitutionalization, they will be further harmed by this forced housing of forensic cases with the general psychiatric population. And I hear through the grapevine that even private short stay facilities are being forced to take on forensic cases these days.
So, as I asked in my comment at the other site last night to colleagues, where can responsible and effective care for acutely ill patients be provided if we are to be further forced into forensic situations?
I know the plot line of Analyze This was absurd, but when you step back and look how the Billy Crystal character got involved with the Mafioso boss, it was an innocent car accident and Crystal tried to handle it right, but, “right” in working with antisocials is certainly perspective first, and reality is way down the line. And that is what bothers me with this legislative onslaught that will be a cascade once Maryland follows New York’s miscues.
Remember the two adages that define what most of psychiatry is up against:
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and
No good deed goes unpunished.
Hey, you don’t have to believe me, I’m sure your faith in the politicians you as the majority electorate reflect in repeated reelection of these effective incumbents will make your world safer and more predictable the day these laws go into effect.
Funny, why is it when I watch the Robert De niro character in the film, he reminds me of Joe Biden? Just an observation!
Can’t wait to see who he paroles on the way out in 2017
Barrack of Nazareth is a bigger baby killer than Adam Lanza, and is cheered on by his sycophants, who were shocked, shocked, by three waterboardings of high level terrorists under GWB :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/23/klein-drones-morning-joe
We could save the lives of far more children by limiting POTUS’ access to drones, than by citizens’ access to firearms.
I really think the current occupant of the White House is antisocial, and his winning the second term of office will be rather hellish to endure. Do you agree that one of the defining traits between a narcissist and an antisocial is the former does hesitate and show some regard for committing criminal acts by considering consequences? Antisocials by in large may hesitate, but in the end basically say “f— it, I’m gonna do what I want to do.” That sums up our COWH.
But, he is not the only person that troubles me in politics. My earlier piece back on February 1 notes B.O. to be the poster child for what is wrong with our alleged leadership. We are in deep trouble with as much the Democraps as the Repugnacants. Money, power, greed, control, that’s all that drives the basic politician.
In my opinion, if you want to save the lives of our future generations, it starts by NOT voting for anyone who is incumbent for more than 10 years in the House, 12-18 years in the Senate, and frankly, anyone in office for more than 18 years duration has done their time, period. Think about it, if you can’t accomplish what you think you can do as an elected official in the space of a generation’s time, 18 years on average, then what are you staying for? Certainly NOT the people you allege to represent.
But what is the alternative now? Mob rule?
Joel H
He’s never had to deal with consequences his adult life, being overrated and coddled as much as he was neglected in his youth. He knows the media will never hold him accountable for drones, Benghazi, Fast and Furious or the budget. He’s doing what he can get away with, not what his conscience dictates.
For example, he said nothing about gun control after Colorado but made a big deal after Sandy Hook and the only substantive difference was that the election happened. So he does pay attention to that. They same with the comment to Russia about what he can do the second term.
I agree the next four years will be hell because he is an unrestrained lame duck.
I like that “an unrestrained lame duck”. I can only hope he becomes so brazen that he does something so incredibly stupid that even his own party has to distance from him, and it is impeachable.
Not that I look forward to mafioso Joe “Bidin’ my time” Biden to step in should OBummer be forced out. But he would be right, in saying “it is a big f—in’ deal”
Joel H